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Brake van rides behind GWR 813: 25 November 2017
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 14, 2016 5:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Pop round to Comberton Place, and "doorstep" the OM!

Strangely enough, I had considered doing that.
I finished work a bit early today and had time to either visit Comberton Place or have a look at what was in the closing down sale at Paskin's, the tool shop on the Stourport Road.
Naturally, I chose the option that would be of greatest benefit to both Bewdley Wagon Repairs and the GWR 813 Fund, and managed to pick up four boxes of 1/2" Whitworth coach bolts cheap.
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 14, 2016 10:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Danny252 wrote:
Note that legislation (and ORR guidance on it) does make specific reference to continuous, automatic brakes, not simply that each vehicle has a brake of any description, although it also only gives the ORR/HMRI/etc. the ability to require it, rather than a blanket ruling.

There are also potential issues with passengers being able to tamper with the brake when riding in a brake van, although this is lessened if each van has a guard.


Have a look here between 11.00 and 16.30 mins:-

https://youtu.be/zm4dI4UDnAA
There doesn't seem to be any problem with passengers travelling in an unfitted freight here, or any scope for tampering with the brake in the brake van (or loco!). It also involves 3 "token" (actually ETS) changes, passing passenger trains and 2 level crossings!
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 15, 2016 9:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

stowell_d wrote:
Danny252 wrote:
Note that legislation (and ORR guidance on it) does make specific reference to continuous, automatic brakes, not simply that each vehicle has a brake of any description, although it also only gives the ORR/HMRI/etc. the ability to require it, rather than a blanket ruling.

There are also potential issues with passengers being able to tamper with the brake when riding in a brake van, although this is lessened if each van has a guard.


Have a look here between 11.00 and 16.30 mins:-

https://youtu.be/zm4dI4UDnAA
There doesn't seem to be any problem with passengers travelling in an unfitted freight here, or any scope for tampering with the brake in the brake van (or loco!). It also involves 3 "token" (actually ETS) changes, passing passenger trains and 2 level crossings!
It appears we need to define passengers. AFAIK there were no passengers carried on the Ffestiniog gravity train. All the persons seen riding the train would be staff, full time or volunteer.

The rules re staff travel are different to fare paying passengers. Another example - facing points. A passenger train requires that facing points are locked with either a locking mechanism operated from the signal box or a locked point clamp. These rules do not apply to ECS workings even if staff are present on the train.hence ECS can run via Highley loop but pass cannot.
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 15, 2016 2:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Graham wrote:
It's looking like this is unlikely to happen this year now.
First of all, GWR 813's owners need to agree a formal running contract and steaming fees with the SVR. Hopefully this will be done before the November Gala.
Secondly, an official policy on the carrying of passengers in brake vans needs to be drawn up. This will probably mean that we will need to wait until one or both of the fitted brake vans currently under restoration at Bewdley are completed.


They are offering brake van rides at the end of season gala so I can't see why there should be a problem for you.
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 15, 2016 5:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I can't see why there should be a problem either. If the GM, his PA, or the OM would reply to my emails or phone calls, I might find out why there is.
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 09, 2016 2:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I did manage to arrange a meeting with the GM eventually.
He said we would need to have a fully fitted train, so we set a provisional date of 18th February 2017 as we will hopefully have the Southern brake van ready by then. There are currently eight fitted wagons in the goods train we can use, subject to checks on the vacuum and braking system.

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Pop round to Comberton Place, and "doorstep" the OM!

I did that by accident. I'd gone to the carriage shed on other business and happened to bump in to the OM.
I asked why there were going to be brake van rides during the gala when I had been told we would have to have a fully fitted train.
He said that as the gala event was already planned, it would go ahead with what was available, but all passenger carrying goods trains after that would have to be fully fitted.

It came a a bit of a surprise then, to find photo charters running this week with the photographers riding in the brake vans.
So, 813 hauled an unfitted goods train on Tuesday with passengers in the brake van for a photo charter, yet it's not allowed to haul an unfitted goods train next Saturday with passengers in the brake van for an 813 Fund raiser.
Has anyone got any ideas why this might be, or why the Operations Manager appears to be preventing trains operating on the railway?
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 13, 2016 7:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

It turns out the photo charter went ahead because it was already in the diary. I must have missed the cut off date for getting events entered in to the 2016 diary when I first enquired about an 813 charter.

It does seem like an odd way of doing things to me though.
If I've done something in the past, then one day I realise it's dangerous and I've been lucky to get away with it, I stop doing it.
I don't carry on and do it on Tuesday, because I'd already made plans before I realised it was dangerous and I hope my luck will hold out, but then not do it on Saturday because it's too dangerous.
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 13, 2016 11:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dangerous might be the wrong word, carefully might be better.

It's not unusual to have a future date when new regulations come in, unless there is an immediate safety notice issue.

I think people intuitively think "I'll finish this job but when I plan the next I'll do it differently".

I'm just thankful there are people that have to worry about this stuff so I don't have to!

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PostPosted: Wed Nov 16, 2016 9:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I always thought unfitted goods trains with passengers on SVR were banned until last years autumn gala then they allow them and now they have stopped them again.

PS I have emailed charter@gwr813.org to reserve a place.
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 28, 2017 3:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Extract from the SVRLive (28 October 2017)
http://www.svrlive.com/813-brake-van-rides

It's really happening this time, the crew are being rostered, the shunting to form the train is being arranged and it's in the operations diary. Details are still being finalised, but provisional arrangements are:

Date: November 25th 2017

Cost: £30 one way. You will also need: 
• a valid SVR ticket or pass, or some other means of getting to or from your start and finish point.
• membership of the GWR 813 Preservation Fund. Membership is only £25 for life and you can join on the day.

Vehicles: It is intended that the train will consist of: 
• GWR 813
• goods wagons - GWR Opens 102691 & 13154, GWR Vanfit 65620 and GWR Gunpowder van 58725 (the most recently overhauled vehicles). Due to the increased stopping distance of an unfitted train and the need to keep within a normal timetable, we have had to limit the number of wagons in the train.
• brake vans GWR Toad 68501, LMS 730866 and SR 55577. There will be two brake vans at one end and one at the other. The rearmost brake van in either direction is for the guard only and passengers will travel in the other two. All three brake vans have got stoves, so you can sit inside in the warm or enjoy the view from the veranda as you choose.

Times: Timetable B3 will be in operation and will utilise the BS4 path. The train will make two return trips,
• Bewdley 8.58 a.m. to Bridgnorth 9.46 a.m.
• Bridgnorth 10.10 a.m. to Kidderminster 11.23 a.m.
• Kidderminster 11.45 a.m. to Bridgnorth 12.56 p.m.
• Bridgnorth 1.50 p.m. to Bewdley 2.46 p.m. 

To book a place or make further enquiries please email graham.phillips@svrlive.com or contact the organiser, Graham Philips, at Bewdley goods shed on a Saturday.

Web admin note: email contact address amended to reflect change on SVRLive.
PJ October 2017
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 30, 2017 11:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

We've revised the prices on this.
Originally, the intention was to offer something cheaper than the £50 one way of the Autumn Gala but as there hasn't been a lot of interest so far and it's a bit complicated starting and finishing at two different stations, we have gone for two long and one short return trip, all starting at Bewdley.

Depart Bewdley 8.58 a.m. Arrive Bridgnorth 9.46 a.m.
Depart Bridgnorth 10.10 a.m. Arrive Bewdley 10:59 a.m. £30 return

Depart Bewdley 11.12 a.m. Arrive Kidderminster 11.23 a.m.
Depart Kidderminster 11.45 a.m. Arrive Bewdley 11.56 p.m. £10 return

Depart Bewdley 12.00 a.m. Arrive Bridgnorth 12.56 p.m.
Depart Bridgnorth 1.50 p.m. Arrive Bewdley 2.46 p.m. £30 return

The one Kidderminster trip will probably fill up first, so if you want to do that, or want to combine it with an early or late Bridgnorth trip to make a full line return for £40, you'd better get in quick.
We've dropped the requirement to be a member of the GWR 813 Preservation Fund as well, although if you want to join at the same time as booking your ticket, or on the day, you can.

Payment by PayPal to info@gwr813.org or by BACS to Lloyds Bank,
Patchway branch 30-16-11 a/c number 00381447 If using payPal, please
tick the "Friends and Family" box, it save us 3.4%
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 30, 2017 11:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Graham wrote:
We've revised the prices on this.
Originally, the intention was to offer something cheaper than the £50 one way of the Autumn Gala but as there hasn't been a lot of interest so far and it's a bit complicated starting and finishing at two different stations, we have gone for two long and one short return trip, all starting at Bewdley.

Depart Bewdley 8.58 a.m. Arrive Bridgnorth 9.46 a.m.
Depart Bridgnorth 10.10 a.m. Arrive Bewdley 10:59 a.m. £30 return

Depart Bewdley 11.12 a.m. Arrive Kidderminster 11.23 a.m.
Depart Kidderminster 11.45 a.m. Arrive Bewdley 11.56 p.m. £10 return

Depart Bewdley 12.00 a.m. Arrive Bridgnorth 12.56 p.m.
Depart Bridgnorth 1.50 p.m. Arrive Bewdley 2.46 p.m. £30 return

The one Kidderminster trip will probably fill up first, so if you want to do that, or want to combine it with an early or late Bridgnorth trip to make a full line return for £40, you'd better get in quick.
We've dropped the requirement to be a member of the GWR 813 Preservation Fund as well, although if you want to join at the same time as booking your ticket, or on the day, you can.

Payment by PayPal to info@gwr813.org or by BACS to Lloyds Bank,
Patchway branch 30-16-11 a/c number 00381447 If using payPal, please
tick the "Friends and Family" box, it save us 3.4%
Graham - I will be the rostered guard for these trips. Please note for authenticity unless actually going trackside HV should not be worn. Also bright red or green outer clothing should be avoided.
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 31, 2017 8:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks, I'll pass that information on.
It's probably worth pointing out that the train will arrive and depart at the station platforms as well, not the goods yard, so access will be from platform level.
We're not reserving specific seats either. With a bit of cooperation it should be possible to swap round at intermediate stations so everyone gets a ride in each of the three brake vans if they want to.
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 11, 2017 9:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Still time and spaces left for this celebration.............!
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 11, 2017 10:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

nick813 wrote:
Still time and spaces left for this celebration.............!
Event details on SVRLive
http://www.svrlive.com/813-brake-van-rides
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