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PostPosted: Fri May 27, 2016 7:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Seen on another forum, the Bluebell also have a £75,000 award, and for a similar project, restoration of a Pullman coach including making it wheelchair-accessible.
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PostPosted: Fri May 27, 2016 7:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Derby4 wrote:
Seen on another forum, the Bluebell also have a £75,000 award, and for a similar project, restoration of a Pullman coach including making it wheelchair-accessible.
As I posted here the other day, full details of the winners are here: https://www.gov.uk/government/news/rail-tourism-winners-announced
As it says, "The competition has generated 17 winners, who will receive grants ranging from £25,000 to £75,000 to develop their ideas."

They are for a range of projects, and as you say, the Bluebell one is similar:
Bluebell Railway: Pullman accessibility for people with disabilities - £75,000. A vintage Pullman carriage will be completely renovated, providing accessibility for people with disabilities, including wheelchair users, restoring the carriage’s original 1920’s ambience and increasing the railway’s Pullman dining seating capacity.
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PostPosted: Fri May 27, 2016 11:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The description of the SVR coach is a Mark I, does anyone know which and which set it will go into?

I did hear a GWR coach was being assessed for the less able?


One for a wiki update - are thee the coaches for the less able?

LNER 24105 (LNER set)
BR 80776 (BR Carmine & Cream)
GWR 9055 (Set S - Diner or toplights)
BR 4690 (BR Maroon)
LMS??
GW2 - none?

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PostPosted: Sat May 28, 2016 2:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

http://svrtrust.org.uk/news/latest-news.html
http://svrlive.wix.com/svrlive#!blank-4/blj6v

The first phase will see the restoration and conversion of a currently un-used British Rail vehicle into a dedicated wheelchair-accessible carriage, providing accommodation for five wheelchair users and their companions, along with a disabled toilet [...] Perhaps the biggest challenge for the restoration team lies in the second phase of the project. This involves rebuilding a second carriage to provide dining accommodation for up to 16 wheelchair users.

More on the link

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PostPosted: Mon May 30, 2016 6:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I see from the latest issue of the 2857 Society's magazine that they have sold GWR 5043 Full Third to the GW (SVR) Association, who plan to "convert the kitchen area for invalid use and the pantry into a buffet counter. This will suit current SVR requirements for buffet facilities and disabled access in the set and also meet modern hygiene requirements".
Could this be one and the same project, or am I getting a proposed buffet car mixed up with a proposed restaurant car?
5043 already had most of its interior stripped out and various windows and doors blanked off before it arrived on the SVR, so would seem to be an obvious choice for modification.
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PostPosted: Mon May 30, 2016 5:30 pm    Post subject: DfT Grant Reply with quote

I am aware that the 2 vehicles affected by this grant are Mk 1's.
5043 will be subject to the GWR (SVR) group's arrangements after it has been used by the Gresley group, and when the GWR (SVR) group have finished with their current projects.

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PostPosted: Mon May 30, 2016 6:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

K J Evans on Nat Pres

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It appears after discussing with others that the plan is roughly for the double saloon brake in set C (80776) to be converted to a disabled dining coach and then a mark 1 TSo to be converted (in a similar way to the coach in set M) to replace 80776 in set C.

Elsewhere, 5043 has been transferred from the 2857 society to the GW(SVR)A with the view for it to be converted to dual buffet/disabled saloon. This will mean all sets have a disabled saloon and will allow the mark 1 buffet in GW2 to be removed (hopefully for it to be a spare in case a buffet requires work). Note this scheme is not related to the above SVRCT one.

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PostPosted: Mon May 30, 2016 6:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

My guess was wrong. I've had an email from Richard Gunning of the LNER group. It's not confidential, so I'll copy it here.

"The DFT grant covers the conversion of 4399, another Mk1 TSO to be wheelchair accessible, similar to 4690, the one currently in service with the maroon Mk1 set. It also covers the creation, for the "SVR Limited" of a "Wheelchair Dining Car" which will be will be made from 80776, the converted Mk1 BG thats currently painted blood & custard, and running with that set. Also included is the provision of new lightweight ramps, one in each accessible vehicle. All this needs to be completed relatively quickly to satisfy the need for all our trains to include wheelchair accessible accommodation.

The GWA's 5043 is a long way off. Its intended to be a wheelchair accessible Buffet Car, but as the GWR built very few of these, the intended external appearance and layout is based on that of a c1925 Restaurant Car; internally the kitchen will be omitted in favour of a Buffet counter, and the double doors used to admit wheelchairs. Great, but it won't be running anytime soon."
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PostPosted: Mon May 30, 2016 8:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just to confirm re 5043 - to be rebuilt as invalid buffet car which has open style for overflow dining if needed

The kitchen will not be there and instead it will hold wheelchairs. The pantry will have a buffet counter.

In due course we will be appealing for funds to make the conversion





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PostPosted: Tue May 31, 2016 4:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Help please, I'm still confused of Somerset.

LNER 24105, BR 4690 (BR Maroon) and LMS 26880 are self-explanatory.

BR 80776 is in the Crimson & Cream set but LMS 4399 is to be converted, releasing 80776 to the Diner set S

Where does that leave GWR 9055 (currently listed on wiki as Set S - Diner or toplights)?

And is 5043 eventually destined for GW2?

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PostPosted: Thu Jun 22, 2017 12:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Will 80776 retain it's Brake compartment when it is converted to the Wheelchair Dining Saloon?
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 23, 2017 5:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

As Richard said converting 5043 will take time.
The long term aim is the GW sets will only have GW vehicles meaning that 5043 will be invalid and buffet in GW2 and 5804 which is the junior club coach will eventually be converted to a second buffet for the Dining set and GW1. 9055 will be invalid coach in the toplight/BE set and in GW1.
80776 can then become invalid in the MK1 dining set.

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PostPosted: Thu Jul 06, 2017 4:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

lil Bear wrote:
Will 80776 retain it's Brake compartment when it is converted to the Wheelchair Dining Saloon?


I've asked Hugh McQuade:

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The guards office is already not used owing to the handbrake being defective. That will be removed and the guards doors too. The room will be used for storage of the loose chairs on occasions where multiple chairbound users require more space.


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