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Boiler at entrance of Bridgnorth yard?
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mrmover



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PostPosted: Wed Nov 04, 2015 2:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

oliver wrote:
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Of course we have our own Hall and Standard 4 on their way back

And a Stanier Mogul Smile


Yes - I hadn't forgotten, but Peter had mentioned her in the previous post. Looking forward to her return!
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Lench_S



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PostPosted: Wed Nov 04, 2015 4:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

bradleyman wrote:
R Hargreaves wrote:
Oh good.....can we have it back when its finished...please please please Very Happy


Can we just have our nice GWR country secondary route back instead please?


Oh yes please!!
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hearn_p



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PostPosted: Wed Nov 04, 2015 11:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

SKP was restored by its owners and I would imagine has saved the SVR a considerable amount in hire fees. The owner of TV has spent a fortune in paying the SVR to overhaul it.

The Bulleids currently account for 40% of the large locos in service on the line and have attracted custom, IMO there's a lot to be thankful for.

Patrick
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Peter Share



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PostPosted: Wed Nov 04, 2015 11:35 pm    Post subject: Bulleids Reply with quote

In reply to Patricks' comments above, I was under the impression that both SKP and TV are on hire to the SVR under private agreements, and the SVR is subject to paying daily running fees. (will someone please correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't think I am)
The other side of my argument refers to running costs - coal, water etc., which surely will be greater than a class 4 or 5.
By all means they are welcome as part of the fleet, but not as the apparent mainstay - 40% ?

Peter
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hearn_p



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PostPosted: Thu Nov 05, 2015 12:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't think we are disagreeing.

I'm not privy to the running agreements but it wouldn't surprise me. I would guess an engine on running fees is cheaper overall than a hire-in with transport, hire and steaming fees. It seems to me that we have been fortunate having SKP in recent years as part of the fleet, and now TV.

40% is 2 Bulleids out of 5 large (Class 4+) - 43106, 2857 and 7812 being the others. 7802 will reduce this reliance.

I don't know on the running costs I'm afraid.

Regards

Patrick
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Danny252



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PostPosted: Thu Nov 05, 2015 9:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Aren't the set of locomotive agreements that the SVR is trying to work out for "home" locomotives going to contain running fees (or the equivalent), in order to help fund overhauls?

As Patrick says, I'd take it that SKP and TV's running fees are much lower compared to hired locomotives (e.g. Royal Scot), considering how often they're used - the accountant would surely complain otherwise!
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Graham



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PostPosted: Thu Nov 05, 2015 2:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I may have misunderstood this at the time, or misremembered it since, but I think the arrangement with 2857 varies in that instead of the SVR paying a running fee per day or per mile and the owner being responsible for maintenance, the 2857 Society loans the engine to the SVR free of charge and the SVR pays for, or carries out, any maintenance or repairs needed.

It all amounts to pretty much the same thing.
One way, the owner gets a steady income, but has to put it aside to pay for any future big overhaul.
The other way, the owner gets no income, but never gets a big bill either.
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KJEvans



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PostPosted: Thu Nov 05, 2015 3:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Graham wrote:
I may have misunderstood this at the time, or misremembered it since, but I think the arrangement with 2857 varies in that instead of the SVR paying a running fee per day or per mile and the owner being responsible for maintenance, the 2857 Society loans the engine to the SVR free of charge and the SVR pays for, or carries out, any maintenance or repairs needed.

It all amounts to pretty much the same thing.
One way, the owner gets a steady income, but has to put it aside to pay for any future big overhaul.
The other way, the owner gets no income, but never gets a big bill either.

I believe that's more or less the arrangement for most of the long time residents with the SVR being liable for the overhaul costs. Though there is a process to move away from this (the monthly roundups make mention of a new loco running agreement)
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 05, 2015 4:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think that one of the problems is that there is no time frame on the Railway for undertaking the repairs - especially at the end of the boiler ticket. Hence we have 8233, 7325, 47383 and 75069 owned by supporting groups and waiting a long time for overhaul. And that's not forgetting 45110, 4930 and Gordon, owned by the Holdings Company also waiting their turn. One wonders how long some of the more recent retirees will have to wait before they receive attention - 80079, 5764, 5164, 46443.
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 06, 2015 12:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

mrmover wrote:
I think that one of the problems is that there is no time frame on the Railway for undertaking the repairs - especially at the end of the boiler ticket. Hence we have 8233, 7325, 47383 and 75069 owned by supporting groups and waiting a long time for overhaul. And that's not forgetting 45110, 4930 and Gordon, owned by the Holdings Company also waiting their turn. One wonders how long some of the more recent retirees will have to wait before they receive attention - 80079, 5764, 5164, 46443.


I understand the new agreements should eliminate a degree of this problem - locos having a guaranteed slot in the works.
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 16, 2015 4:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

SLL have decided to proceed

Note they say a new home is needed for the boiler at Bridgnorth

http://www.southern-locomotives.co.uk/News/news.html
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PostPosted: Wed May 25, 2016 12:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Work on the restoration of 34010 Sidmouth is building up; components are being collected and bought, and plans are afoot to move its boiler from Bridgnorth to a boilersmith for major overhaul.


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Eddystone and Sidmouth will now be overhauled / restored in parallel and will use their own boilers.


http://www.southern-locomotives.co.uk/News/news.html
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Robert



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PostPosted: Fri Oct 20, 2017 10:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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The boiler will finally leave Bridgnorth in the first week of October, to go to a boiler specialist for inspection and restoration.

http://www.southern-locomotives.co.uk/News/news.html

Has 34010's boiler left yet?
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madderlake



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PostPosted: Fri Oct 20, 2017 11:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sidmouth's boiler left two weeks ago, after a complicated operation to get it to the low-loader that took several paid staff a whole, trying, day.
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