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GWR 2-8-0 3802 Arrives...
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Danny252



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PostPosted: Fri Aug 06, 2010 1:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Is the engine actually notably wider than most of our other stock? It seemed so to me when I first saw it at BH on Tuesday when they were testing it, but I rarely see other engines from the same head-on angle in platforms.
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mick_wilson



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PostPosted: Fri Aug 06, 2010 7:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

It must be very similar width to 2857, if not identical. My guess is the track may have moved over the years with subsequents lifting and packing etc.
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Simon G



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PostPosted: Fri Aug 06, 2010 3:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's safe to say it was tight through Arley yesterday as we were in the middle of correcting a twist in the track when they came through.

I've heard that now the gauging has been done, we have 25 steamings whilst it is with us, and it is going to get them straight away.

*Edit* Chris Bagley said it was the same size as 2857, but due to the track movement at Arley it needed gauging, I suppose it made sense to check Bewdley whilst it was out.
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 07, 2010 1:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm not one to be picky, and nor am I a dreaded 'rivet-counter' but a locomotive and its tender in two different liveries at once doesn't sit well with me.

I appreciate it's all down to cost and that people put far more effort into restoring, fixing, delivering, hiring, and repainting engines and tenders than I do as a Porter, and I know that in today's economic climate we are a tourist attraction first and a heritage railway second, but I'm not comfortable with it.

*edit* on closer inspection the green of the locomotive and the tender are much closer matches than I had expected.
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 07, 2010 1:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Even if you don't like it there is historical precedent for this sort of thing if you look through enough old photos.

For example I have seen a photo of a modified hall built new well post 1948 but coupled to a tender still clearly bearing GWR livery.

There are also photos about of lined tenders coupled to unlined locos & vice versa as no doubt made necessary by operational needs - not unlike the current temporary situation with 3802.
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 07, 2010 10:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Good to see 3802 working trains in the photos from today.

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PostPosted: Mon Aug 09, 2010 6:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

bradleyman wrote:
Even if you don't like it there is historical precedent for this sort of thing if you look through enough old photos.


Good point, I had forgotten about that. I've also seen a Crab well into BR days with an LMS tender. The Aberystwyth pannier pilot remained in GWR livery until the early 60s, too.

bradleyman wrote:
There are also photos about of lined tenders coupled to unlined locos & vice versa as no doubt made necessary by operational needs - not unlike the current temporary situation with 3802.


I of course appreciate that the situation is temporary and caused by operational needs. I hope that my original post did not suggest I was demanding immediate rectification.
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 09, 2010 7:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Having seen 3802 in the flesh in operation yesterday and on some of the resulting photos it does not look too bad from a distance - probably better in fact with the non matching paint/lining than a 38xx does with a 4000 gallon tender.

But then I have just spent a good part of the day on drawings and quotes for a 3500 Churchward tender for 7802 so they look particularly right just now!
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 09, 2010 7:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I believe it is not to be turned, and is limited to 5 mph into Bewdley 1 and Bridgnorth platform 1&2
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 13, 2010 2:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

As part of the Llangollen Railway footplate roster. Could I get an opinion from footplate crews on here on what they think of 3802.
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 14, 2010 9:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Noticed 3802 had a distinct "wheezing" sound today. Do a few nuts and bolts need tightening up?
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 16, 2010 8:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

sounded fine to me on the 12:35 ex Kdr and 3:11 ex Highley (both rammed trains)

Also seemed to be toying with the load of 8 coaches
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 16, 2010 9:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Danny252 wrote:
Noticed 3802 had a distinct "wheezing" sound today. Do a few nuts and bolts need tightening up?


The snifting valves on it make a pronounced noise - which would match your description.
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 16, 2010 12:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

hassell_a wrote:
Danny252 wrote:
Noticed 3802 had a distinct "wheezing" sound today. Do a few nuts and bolts need tightening up?


The snifting valves on it make a pronounced noise - which would match your description.


And that would be the one thing I learnt today Smile
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 17, 2010 1:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Few Pics on http://martincreese.railnuts.com/2010/08/17/a-swindon-weekend/ . Not up to fotopic standard so put then on a blog posting
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