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Bridgnorth Station redevelopment: 2012 onwards
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Derby4



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PostPosted: Sun Dec 31, 2017 12:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Following on from Bryan Clarkes's comments above, I noticed yesterday that what appear to be the insulation sheets for the roof (as distinct from cavity wall insulation sheets which are thinner) were stacked out in the open uncovered, and no doubt now wet. Some were in the work compound near the new building, and some are in a stack the other side of the bridge/tunnel that goes under the station layout, again in the open, unprotected.
David Postle's comment was that the inside structure of the building will now take some time to dry out, from which you might infer that the inside trades will not be able to start anytime soon, even if the roof is made watertight fairly quickly.
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madderlake



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PostPosted: Sun Dec 31, 2017 3:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think you will find those insulation sheets are made of a closed-cell foam that does not get waterlogged.
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Derby4



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PostPosted: Sun Dec 31, 2017 5:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Good, thanks for that.

I hope they are soon in position on the roof structure.
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hearn_p



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PostPosted: Sun Dec 31, 2017 5:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

"...we will be using a material in the roof construction they have not yet encountered. This is a product known as “foamglas” blocks which are literally foamed silica glass and have a high insulation value."

Chris Bond, 28th November

"FOAMGLAS® is a light weight, rigid and durable insulation material composed of millions of completely sealed glass cells"

"FOAMGLAS® insulation is non-combustible, has a high compressive strength without deformation, is completely vapour and water tight"

https://uk.foamglas.com/

Patrick
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Bryan Clarke



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PostPosted: Sun Dec 31, 2017 6:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Some will be pleased to hear I am going to go away after this clarification.Sad

The question was why is a fairly simple single storey build taking so long, and what are the potential cost implications for this extended time line ? That question is important because a limited, but fairly large sum, was raised from the share issue. An overspend in one area will clearly have knock on consequences in other areas. One assumes that the heritage nature, ground works, half bricks, Welsh slates, insulation materials and any other excuse for delays would have all been known by the contractor before construction commenced, in order to give an overall estimate for the cost for the project.

It is a fairly straight forward question, with potentially uncomfortable financial implications. Unless of course, in the unlikely event the structure is being built to fixed cost.


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PostPosted: Thu Jan 04, 2018 8:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

04/01/18.











It can just be made out that there is weatherproofing on the far side.
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Derby4



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PostPosted: Fri Jan 05, 2018 9:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The flat-roofed rear part of the building has had protective covering for some time, presumably if it is some sort of sheet board, it needs to be kept dry before the final weather-proof layers are added.
Was there actually any activity on site? Work appears to have stopped, even taking into account the Christmas break.
I have emailed the GM to ask why the main building is open to the weather, ie no temporary roof covers, but as of today have not had a reply.
As I mentioned earlier David Postle is concerned about the situation. Hopefully at the next progress meeting with the contractors a way ahead is agreed.
The interior of the building is now so wet it will take some time to dry out sufficiently for the fitting -out trades to commence work.
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LMS2968



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PostPosted: Fri Jan 05, 2018 10:02 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The weather proofing over the flat roof portion appears to be plastic sheeting, and there were puddles on it.

Workmen were there but the photos were taken on what would have been their lunch break, so I don't know if they were engaged on the building. My area of operation is the mpd so I don't see much of the surrounds; sorry! They did close off and dig a trench between the existing station building and signal box, but it was open again when I left at 4.30.
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batchacremike



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PostPosted: Mon Jan 08, 2018 4:06 pm    Post subject: Bridgnorth development Reply with quote

Like others I am concerned about the slow progress on the construction. I feel we are making excuses for the contractor. If they are specialists in heritage construction then surely they should know the lead time on ordering Welsh slate.
On the cutting of bricks then some will always have required sawing ( those that were cut lengthways) but if you just need half bricks and I have used similar engineering blues then with. 4 inch bolster chisel just give them a good tap on one side with a strong blow on the other while placed on a bed of sand. The rough edges can face the cavity.
During the summer I called by approx every other weekend and sometimes it was difficult to see any progress.
I called in last Friday on my journey home from holiday and I admittedly there was light rain but I could see only two men on site , one was by the door of the upstairs cabin, he was on the phone. The other was leaning against the cabin door downstairs smoking. Neither did any physical work while I was there.
I just hope we have a fixed price contract. I have raised this before without reply
When compared to the new build at Broadway I believe questions need asking.
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oliver



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PostPosted: Mon Jan 08, 2018 10:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I wasn't going to comment on this, BUT I must say, living local, and being at BH station fairly regularly (including sometimes mid-week), work has been getting slower and slower for a good few months now ansd this is not just me saying this, and as others have said, work appears to have almost stopped, both in terms of visible progress and the numbers of people on site.
I do not know a great deal about construction, however I do know someone who does, and he was not well impressed when he saw the worksite over the xmas break. He also commented that he last visited the site on October and said if they were his contractors he would be asking serious questions as to the slow pace of the work, heritage or not. It would be good if an update was sent out clarifying exactly what the situation is with this project as many people including even the local residents are now starting to question this.
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Derby4



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PostPosted: Tue Jan 09, 2018 8:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

In response to the above two posts, and mine earlier, I have to report that I have still to hear from Mr Ralls, the General Manager.

Perhaps if others, members and/or shareholders in the project were likewise to email the GM with their concerns then we might elicit a statement as to the present situation. However, I have just rung Comberton Place, ie HQ, and they were not prepared to give me Nick Ralls email address! I think the email address I have for him may not be correct. Also I learned that he has been away ill recently.

Edit: Now sorted. I had an incorrect or out of date email address for Mr Ralls, and he has made contact.

I too agree with the unfavourable comparison with the largely volunteer built Broadway station building project.

Rob


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PostPosted: Tue Jan 09, 2018 4:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Derby4 wrote:
However, I have just rung Comberton Place, ie HQ, and they were not prepared to give me Nick Ralls email address! I think the email address I have for him may not be correct.Rob
svr email addresses are mostly of the format 'first.last@svrlive.com'. If you were to guess most people's addresses, you'd almost certainly be correct.
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hearn_p



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PostPosted: Tue Jan 09, 2018 6:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I cannot remember receiving this. If it can be emailed through I can share with David [Postle].

Nick Ralls
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 09, 2018 6:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

There is the members question time section on the private part of the forum which can be utilised. I have just received a very prompt and satisfactory response from Nick Ralls to a question I posted there (thanks to hearn_p for facilitating it).
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hearn_p



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PostPosted: Fri Jan 12, 2018 6:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It has been drawn to my attention that there has been some discussion on the forum of late concerning two major elements of the Bridgnorth new building - firstly the slow progress being made to complete the project, and secondly the exposure of the roof timbers to the elements for some period of time. As Derby 4 quoted me as saying some time ago, I am disappointed with the rate of progress, and I will now add a personal concern that the roof timbers have been left exposed for some time.

What I would like to reassure all the people who are discussing this on the forum is that I and the team are working very hard behind the scenes to resolve both these issues. We have been looking closely at the cause of delays. As you will all recall,the building was supposed to be handed over in October but we have asked for a realistic date for when that handover might now take place. As I am sure you will realise, there are now serious implications for us in the timetable whereby we had hoped to move the bar and complete the works to the listed building by Easter. The bar relocation can clearly not happen now until after the main running season is over due to the disruption and loss of income it would cause. This is also partly tied up with the situation over the roof trusses as we are currently assessing the implications of them having taken on so much moisture in the last few weeks. We are having to look closely now at a restructuring of the whole project timetable.

Bear in mind that the Bridgnorth project also includes the refurbishment of the listed building, provision of car park and access road, the installation of the turntable and the improvement of the public realm.

By looking again at the timetable, it may be we do things from now in a slightly different order, but rest assured, we will still be doing some work on the Bridgnorth project throughout the 2018 season, and trying to tie it in with the needs of the operational season and the activities at Bridgnorth station.

What I would like to reassure all of you is that we are not just sitting back and watch it happen. What we are working on has reached a critical and sensitive stage, but we are mindful of two main aspects - firstly that we have a responsibility to the generosity of people who kindly bought shares in the project in good faith and to make sure that their generosity is not used wastefully; and secondly that the end product is one we are proud of and is built to the highest standards to last as a legacy for our successors.

I am away in another part of the country at the moment, but just wanted to re-assure you all that these matters are not just being ignored.

What I am proposing that on my return next week, as soon as there is anything definite that I can report, then I will do so in an NBI for the wider circulation and you are welcome to respond to that if you should so wish.

Many thanks for reading, and I hope to report more positive news in the very near future about the very issues that you express concern about.

David Postle
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