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southerman



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PostPosted: Wed Jan 04, 2017 6:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

You wouldn't want to mix a general passenger service with the Christmas services. It isnt just about finding a crew. You have the loco steaming fee/ mileage to be aware of. Monday - Friday in December. There are 3 train repairers that need to keep all 5 sets going for the weekends as Set M is generally used for the Crackers and Heralds.
Mid week we only have 2 sets running. The crackers are one set that makes two round trips. The diner only one round trip.
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 22, 2017 8:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Derby4 wrote:
Some interesting figures for the GWSR, lifted from their "Strategic Report" posted on their Boardroom Blog today: ( available to public view)

Year to 31/1/16. ( previous period figures in brackets).

-Passengers: 88500 (83500)
-Turnover: 1,453,919 (1,314,671)
-Operating profit: 242,154 ( 205,571)
-Volunteers: circa 850 (800)
-Paid staff: 3 full time, 2 part time.
-Capital expenditure: 407839 ( previous period not comparable, included share issue proceeds)

Probably not too comparable with the SVR, but they are going the right way, thankfully.
If I am reading the GWR Boardroom Blog correctly their passenger figures for 2016 surpassed the 100,000 figure.
This is the hyperlink http://gwrboardroom.blogspot.co.uk/2017/01/from-boardroom-there-have-been-another.html (hope I have it right?).

Very good news for them and I am pleased they are happy to share the knowledge.
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 29, 2017 10:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The East Lancashire Railway have announced record passenger numbers in 2016 of 201,000.
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 07, 2017 8:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The Bala Today paper reports the Talyllyn Rlwy 2016 pasenger numbers as 45,000, up by 4%. The highest number 'for several years'.
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 16, 2017 4:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just announced passenger number for 2016 was 252,330. This figureis adjusted to reflect concessionary travel, shareholders etc
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 16, 2017 5:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Divington_R wrote:
The Bala Today paper reports the Talyllyn Rlwy 2016 pasenger numbers as 45,000, up by 4%. The highest number 'for several years'.


However, that railway also reports that total revenue has remained static with ticket revenue down 0.1%, so its not just about passenger numbers.
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 16, 2017 6:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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...its not just about passenger numbers

No, but 4% more passengers will probably spend enough on food and souvenirs to more than make up for that 0.1%
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 16, 2017 7:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Graham wrote:
No, but 4% more passengers will probably spend enough on food and souvenirs to more than make up for that 0.1%


Well, no, according to Michael's quote that total revenue has stayed static. It therefore seems that the 4% more passengers only just spent enough to make up for the 0.1% fall in ticket sales, at face value - I've not checked the accounts myself to see where the 0.1% was actually made up.
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 16, 2017 7:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PostPosted: Thu Feb 16, 2017 7:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sorry, yes, I misread that.
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 17, 2017 8:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

threelinkdave wrote:
Just announced passenger number for 2016 was 252,330. This figureis adjusted to reflect concessionary travel, shareholders etc


Good figures, on the face of it. But only 330 more than 2005, and that year didn't include the (presumably) very high cost of bringing in Scotsman and Tornado. Yes, much of that cost was recouped with the surcharged ticket sales but the general trend of passengers is still downward.

Obviously the financial results will show how we have done as a business, and it is a matter of balancing quality against quantity. I know we have a quality product - in my view the best in the movement - and look to the marketing gurus to get that message out to boost earnings. Some of the marketing efforts in recent years have not been the best - maybe it is time to change some of these efforts.
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 17, 2017 11:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

mrmover wrote:
Some of the marketing efforts in recent years have not been the best - maybe it is time to change some of these efforts.
If you are making statements like this, can you be more specific please. When you say "some", precisely what are you referring to?
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 17, 2017 8:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

As how good the product is and how well it is marketed I think the ongoing battle will be to buck the current trends. I think that over the next few years our passenger figures will vary year on year, one year up, the next down and so on. The Keighley & Worth Valley Railway passenger figures have been on a downward trend for many years even though they have the product and they appear to market the product well. They have learned that profit and good financial management is far more important than passenger figures.
This years passenger figures taken at face value are excellent, however as has been said before, the bottom line, the profit, is the most important indicator of progress. When the new Bridgnorth developments are up and running we will have a profit making infrastructure as good as any. Let's put passenger figures on the back burner for now.
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 18, 2017 6:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

threelinkdave wrote:
Just announced passenger number for 2016 was 252,330. This figureis adjusted to reflect concessionary travel, shareholders etc
Over a quarter of a million passengers - wow that is good news!

I would be keen to know what the adjustment formula is and how it is applied. Is it simply +10% on top of booking office sales? Do we know?
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 18, 2017 9:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Divington_R wrote:
I would be keen to know what the adjustment formula is and how it is applied. Is it simply +10% on top of booking office sales? Do we know?


The "adjusted" 2015 value of 245800 is the originally quoted value of 204842 plus 20%.
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