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hearn_p



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PostPosted: Sat Dec 24, 2016 12:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

From an NBI today, passenger numbers at the end of November were 4,500 ahead of the same time last year.

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PostPosted: Sat Dec 24, 2016 11:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

hearn_p wrote:
From an NBI today, passenger numbers at the end of November were 4,500 ahead of the same time last year.

Patrick


So from Patrick's previous calculations, 'normal' numbers are down by about 4000.

Or have I missed something?
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 24, 2016 2:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

mrmover wrote:
hearn_p wrote:
From an NBI today, passenger numbers at the end of November were 4,500 ahead of the same time last year.

Patrick


So from Patrick's previous calculations, 'normal' numbers are down by about 4000.

Or have I missed something?


'Passenger numbers other than the Autumn special events' might be a better description. The various splits (e.g. events, schools, normal) haven't been published.

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PostPosted: Fri Dec 30, 2016 11:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Its not just about passengers, its about profit.

If we were better organised and had parties better organised so we could always run 6 rather than 8 coaches, imagine how many tones of coal we could save in a year and how much more money we could make to re-invest.
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 31, 2016 12:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Doune1965 wrote:
Its not just about passengers, its about profit.

If we were better organised and had parties better organised so we could always run 6 rather than 8 coaches, imagine how many tones of coal we could save in a year and how much more money we could make to re-invest.

Always? No, there are plenty of occasions in the high season where even a 8 coach train is full and standing. While most of this occasions will have group bookings making up some of the number, there are plenty of times when there are none and it is purely due to the on-the-day numbers.
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 31, 2016 11:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Derby4 wrote:
Any word from Comberton Towers regarding the 2016 passenger numbers, they must have a good idea given the running season (ex-Santas) is pretty much done.
😈 Devils advocate time from Reg 😈

Looking at the Social media policy statement on http://forum.svra.org.uk/viewtopic.php?t=3756

Quote, 'Questions about the operation of the railway should be addressed verbally or in writing (email or letter) via your Departmental Head, the General Manager or VLO and not discussed on Social Media', unquote.

Should this discussion therefore be barred? 😉😉😉
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 31, 2016 11:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

KJEvans wrote:
Doune1965 wrote:
Its not just about passengers, its about profit.

If we were better organised and had parties better organised so we could always run 6 rather than 8 coaches, imagine how many tones of coal we could save in a year and how much more money we could make to re-invest.

Always? No, there are plenty of occasions in the high season where even a 8 coach train is full and standing. While most of this occasions will have group bookings making up some of the number, there are plenty of times when there are none and it is purely due to the on-the-day numbers.


If the svr made their trains all online booking, they would know in advance how many coaches need to be on any train.
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 31, 2016 12:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Joe2027 wrote:


If the svr made their trains all online booking, they would know in advance how many coaches need to be on any train.


A requirement for online booking for specific trains would require very short trains indeed, and insolvency. Although pre-bought tickets are a growing feature these are mostly not for specific trains. The turn up and go market is still a huge part of the general day-to-day traffic.

You also need provision for passholders, rover tickets and the like.

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PostPosted: Sat Dec 31, 2016 3:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Plenty of folk just turn up on the day, whether they doing a round trip or just do short single trips.
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 03, 2017 4:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I heard on Sunday that the Nene Valley Railway Santa Specials were 2200 up on previous years (over 20,000 in total). Do we know if this Christmas uplift has happened on our side of the Midlands too?
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 03, 2017 4:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Unofficial.

Santas are usually a sell out (or near sell out) every year, so there is little variation in the numbers unless more days are run. In 2016 were 7 December weekend days (25th was a Sunday), in 2017 there will be 8, so there will be more scope for growth in '17.

The post-Christmas Festive Season had extra trains laid on due to passenger numbers. As they only finished yesterday the numbers will take a little while to collate, I'd imagine, but there is no announcement yet. Reports (above) say they were busy.

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PostPosted: Tue Jan 03, 2017 4:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's been discussed before, but as Patrick says, Santa's are usually sell out so there is little change unless more trains are run.

With a purely marketing hat on, if our trains are full, we are not meeting the demand. However, putting on more trains (midweek or in November) will have a big demand on already stretched resources.

I travel home from work in Telford to Shrewsbury via Buildwas, Leighton and Wroxeter, and in December passed the Ironbridge Park and Ride facility, which was being used by the TSR for their Polar Express trains. Looking at how full the car park was there is clearly an opportunity to run late afternoon / early evening trains during the week at this time of year.

However, as I said, the challenge will be staffing these services, and I do not underestimate the challenge in staffing any increase in services.

I do not know how much the TSR pays for the use of the Polar Express concession, or how much it has cost them to hire the USA, but that is not the point.

Yes, I'm playing devil's advocate to a degree, but it is one way of increasing our numbers, revenue and profit.
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 03, 2017 6:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

This discussion appears at this time of year, every year.

The whole Christmas "package" on our railway is hard to beat. If you take the average of 350 per train, 13 times a day. It makes 4550 people per day. Times that by the normal 7 days of Santa trains. That makes 31850 passengers over the Santa services.
Adding the 11 diners, 18 Crackers and 20 Heralds and Christmas Carvery trains. There isn't much room for expansion.

If the demand keeps rising. When we operate the Crackers. They run on Tuesday, Wednesday and Thursday. If there is demand, There is the possibility of Mondays and Fridays being used but providing a minimum of 4 signalmen, 2 TTI's, a Guard, Driver, Fireman, Santas and other on train crew could be the killer for any expansion.
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 03, 2017 6:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I agree with Doune1965 that profit is the important figure.

Other railways' passenger numbers: GWSR had a 13% rise in passenger numbers in 2016 to over 100,000 for the first time.

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PostPosted: Wed Jan 04, 2017 10:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

southerman wrote:
If the demand keeps rising. When we operate the Crackers. They run on Tuesday, Wednesday and Thursday. If there is demand, There is the possibility of Mondays and Fridays being used but providing a minimum of 4 signalmen, 2 TTI's, a Guard, Driver, Fireman, Santas and other on train crew could be the killer for any expansion.


Looking at the rosters, the only days in December when staff weren't already on duty were Fri 2, Mon 5, and Mon 12 (and, for completeness, the 25th!), and there were regularly two or three trainsets running on those days (usually a Cracker or Herald plus a Lunch service). More trains could be wedged in provided the traincrew can be found, but running a two-train midweek passenger service would push it up to a four train service at times, which is quite an undertaking!
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