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Spring Diesel Festival: 19 to 21 May 2016
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hearn_p



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PostPosted: Fri May 13, 2016 12:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The timetable with amended locomotive roster is now available to download for our Spring Diesel Festival...
http://www.svr.co.uk/SEItem.aspx?a=101
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PostPosted: Fri May 13, 2016 1:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm sure that any negotiations will have been confidential. What right does anyone other than the parties involved have to know the details of those negotiations? Quite simply, none whatsoever.

Some business dealings succeed, others fail. Some don't even start. If the parties don't agree, for whatever reason, then the deal doesn't go ahead. It's as simple as that, but to blame either party is na´ve in the extreme.

I guess if someone wants to see these locos they will have to travel elsewhere. But where else can they go this weekend and see the variety that we are putting on show? Come on, don't knock the railway unnecessarily.
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PostPosted: Fri May 13, 2016 1:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

D213 was in the returning convoy a few days ago so may be on display somewhere?

At least I managed to film it when the convoy departed a couple of weeks ago.
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PostPosted: Fri May 13, 2016 1:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

mrmover wrote:
I'm sure that any negotiations will have been confidential. What right does anyone other than the parties involved have to know the details of those negotiations? Quite simply, none whatsoever.

Some business dealings succeed, others fail. Some don't even start. If the parties don't agree, for whatever reason, then the deal doesn't go ahead. It's as simple as that, but to blame either party is na´ve in the extreme.

I guess if someone wants to see these locos they will have to travel elsewhere. But where else can they go this weekend and see the variety that we are putting on show? Come on, don't knock the railway unnecessarily.

I didn't say that information should be made public, only that the absence of the facts tends to lead people to jump to conclusions - conclusions that wind up being passed off as fact.

Again, not 'knocking' the railway personally - simply commenting on what has been said elsewhere.
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PostPosted: Fri May 13, 2016 1:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

SVR on Facebook

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The non-availability of Class 26 No. 26007 and Class 40 No. D213 for the Spring Diesel Festival is very unfortunate.

The SVR has a close working relationship with many diesel owners and owning groups.

We respect the need for discretion and confidentiality with all agreements and negotiations with owners, and therefore we cannot divulge the reasons why the Class 26 and 40 are no longer available.

Suffice to say that the SVR is disappointed that this has happened, however, this does not diminish what promises to be a great event!

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PostPosted: Fri May 13, 2016 3:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The 4TC workings, think I've sussed it?

Bewdley dep 08.35
Bridgnorth dep 09.35
Kidder dep 11.40 13.25 15.01 16.37
Bewdley dep 12.44 14.20 15.56 17.38
Kidder dep 18.25
Bridgnorth 20.20

10 out of 10 d'ya reckon?
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PostPosted: Sat May 14, 2016 7:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Some business dealings succeed, others fail. Some don't even start. If the parties don't agree, for whatever reason, then the deal doesn't go ahead. It's as simple as that, but to blame either party is na´ve in the extreme.

The point is, this one did start and did go ahead, only to stop again, which is why, along with the lack of a meaningful official explanation, one or both parties are being blamed.

Just out of interest, what exactly are the duties of a Driver and a Conductor Driver?

If it's possible to run a Footplate Experience with a complete novice driving the train, why has it proved impossible to agree on who actually sits in the driver's seat for this one?
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PostPosted: Sat May 14, 2016 8:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

[quote="Graham"]
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If it's possible to run a Footplate Experience with a complete novice driving the train, why has it proved impossible to agree on who actually sits in the driver's seat for this one?
With a Footplate Experience, the person at the controls is told exactly what to do every time, right down to how much to bring the vacuum down to for braking, when and how far to open the regulator/controller and cutoff/gear. It's effectively as if the instructor os driving, but someone else is actually operating the controls. With a conductor driver, the person at the controls is [supposedly] familiar with the controls, and would have more freedom to choose how much regulator/brake to use, which I feel is not always ideal. In the worst case, you end up with the situation where the derailment at Sutton Coldfield happened in 1955!
Normal operation on the SVR is that it MUST be an SVR driver at the controls, which applies to steam and diesel.
A few years ago I had a day driving a Deltic -- it was emphasised by the SVR Loco inspectors that I [as an SVR driver] must drive, and not someone from the owning group.
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PostPosted: Sat May 14, 2016 9:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

cherry_p wrote:
With a conductor driver, the person at the controls is [supposedly] familiar with the controls, and would have more freedom to choose how much regulator/brake to use, which I feel is not always ideal. In the worst case, you end up with the situation where the derailment at Sutton Coldfield happened in 1955!


Having done a quick bit of reading, I'm a little confused by the Sutton Coldfield comment - it appears that in that case, the conductor driver had actually taken the place of the driver, and so was driving the train himself over a route he was familiar with like normal!
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PostPosted: Sat May 14, 2016 9:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Danny252 wrote:
cherry_p wrote:
With a conductor driver, the person at the controls is [supposedly] familiar with the controls, and would have more freedom to choose how much regulator/brake to use, which I feel is not always ideal. In the worst case, you end up with the situation where the derailment at Sutton Coldfield happened in 1955!


Having done a quick bit of reading, I'm a little confused by the Sutton Coldfield comment - it appears that in that case, the conductor driver had actually taken the place of the driver, and so was driving the train himself over a route he was familiar with like normal!
yes, I'd forgotten that -- not a good example! Thinking about it further, I don't think anyone knows quite what the driver in that case was thinking. Since both men on the footplate at the time died, I don't suppose we ever will.
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PostPosted: Sat May 14, 2016 3:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

[quote="cherry_p"]
Graham wrote:
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If it's possible to run a Footplate Experience with a complete novice driving the train, why has it proved impossible to agree on who actually sits in the driver's seat for this one?
With a Footplate Experience, the person at the controls is told exactly what to do every time, right down to how much to bring the vacuum down to for braking, when and how far to open the regulator/controller and cutoff/gear. It's effectively as if the instructor os driving, but someone else is actually operating the controls. With a conductor driver, the person at the controls is [supposedly] familiar with the controls, and would have more freedom to choose how much regulator/brake to use, which I feel is not always ideal. In the worst case, you end up with the situation where the derailment at Sutton Coldfield happened in 1955!
Normal operation on the SVR is that it MUST be an SVR driver at the controls, which applies to steam and diesel.
A few years ago I had a day driving a Deltic -- it was emphasised by the SVR Loco inspectors that I [as an SVR driver] must drive, and not someone from the owning group.


The FE is not a train load of passengers either.
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PostPosted: Mon May 16, 2016 11:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

One final surprise announcement...

DCR Class 31 No. 31452 will be making an appearance at the Spring Diesel Festival this week, alongside fellow Class 31 No. 5580.

The updated timetable with locomotive allocations is now available online too.
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PostPosted: Thu May 19, 2016 1:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

20s uncoupled from train, maybe a problem at Kidder
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PostPosted: Thu May 19, 2016 1:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

50035 to work 13.47 off Kidder, a bit late
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PostPosted: Thu May 19, 2016 3:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

sharpo wrote:
20s uncoupled from train, maybe a problem at Kidder

A problem on one of the locos plus on the stock as well. Seems be rectified now.
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