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Harriers Leaving Aggborough: August 2017
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Derby4



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PostPosted: Sun Aug 20, 2017 3:25 pm    Post subject: Harriers Leaving Aggborough: August 2017 Reply with quote

Kidderminster Harriers have announced plans to build a new football ground on the Stourport side of Kidderminster and sell of their present home for housing development.

Not necessarily of direct interest to the SVR, but means there will be housing adjacent to the carriage shed (as now) and the yard and diesel TMD.

Might be worth keeping an eye on developments in the future in case there are changes to the utility services that run over the long footbridge.

Any rebuild or removal of the long bridge would possibly open up an opportunity for a link from the car park side engine release road direct to the turntable.
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 20, 2017 4:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It was debated on FB earlier this week.

It's reported that it is leased from the Council.

A loss to the SVR would be additional event car parking currently hosted there, and bar trade from home and away fans. I'm not sure if people add travel on the SVR to make a weekend of it.

I don't know where the boundaries are of the site or if the SVR might benefit from, say, bidding for a strip of land?

I'm sure all surrounding occupiers/owners would consider whether to make representations during the planning process to protect their interests.

Patrick
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 20, 2017 6:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

hearn_p wrote:
I'm not sure if people add travel on the SVR to make a weekend of it.

A few I think but not many in the grand scheme of things.
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 20, 2017 8:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Having seen the anti-social effects of alcohol on erstwhile passengers at Bridgnorth on Saturday lunchtime and on our train, we'll manage without the sales to footie fans, Patrick.

I was thinking more of our site being even more enclosed by private housing.

The GCR at Loughborough know all about this issue!

Rob
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 20, 2017 9:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

hearn_p wrote:
I don't know where the boundaries are of the site or if the SVR might benefit from, say, bidding for a strip of land?


To my understanding, the Diesel Depot essentially hard up against the boundary. I recall photos from depot construction showing that the railway had already pushed about as close to the boundary as possible, without undermining the foundations of the football stadium!
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 20, 2017 11:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Derby4 wrote:
Having seen the anti-social effects of alcohol on erstwhile passengers at Bridgnorth on Saturday lunchtime and on our train, we'll manage without the sales to footie fans, Patrick.

Rob


With the footie at 3 and Kidder in National League North you're more likely to get some home fans plus a dozen, say, Chorley fans looking in for a couple of pints before the game. Those that make a day of it on the railway all day, drinking, are more likely to be an issue?

Danny252 wrote:
hearn_p wrote:
I don't know where the boundaries are of the site or if the SVR might benefit from, say, bidding for a strip of land?


To my understanding, the Diesel Depot essentially hard up against the boundary. I recall photos from depot construction showing that the railway had already pushed about as close to the boundary as possible, without undermining the foundations of the football stadium!


I idly had in mind whether, with the stadium demolished, (say) a shed's/access road/siding's worth of land be something the railway might think about if it became available.

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PostPosted: Sun Aug 20, 2017 11:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I would think the council plan would be to cram in as much housing as possible, and also to use what is now the public car park on the opposite side of the access road/path to the footbridge. That would probably mean the land is of high value.
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 21, 2017 9:25 pm    Post subject: Harriers Leaving Aggborough Reply with quote

The thing to be aware of is, has been found in the road industry, that the new housing will have the right to complain and gain inductions regarding noise, times of entry, etc. the fact SVR was here first will not hold sway.
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 21, 2017 9:30 pm    Post subject: Re: Harriers Leaving Aggborough Reply with quote

Bill Creasey wrote:
The thing to be aware of is, has been found in the road industry, that the new housing will have the right to complain and gain inductions regarding noise, times of entry, etc. the fact SVR was here first will not hold sway.


Hence

hearn_p wrote:
I'm sure all surrounding occupiers/owners would consider whether to make representations during the planning process to protect their interests.


Patrick
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 22, 2017 7:10 am    Post subject: Re: Harriers Leaving Aggborough Reply with quote

hearn_p wrote:
Bill Creasey wrote:
The thing to be aware of is, has been found in the road industry, that the new housing will have the right to complain and gain inductions regarding noise, times of entry, etc. the fact SVR was here first will not hold sway.


Hence

hearn_p wrote:
I'm sure all surrounding occupiers/owners would consider whether to make representations during the planning process to protect their interests.


Patrick
Dear Both, I would be very surprised if the railway does not take formal steps to protect its business?

It may wish to possibly consider an objection on the basis that a railway environment generates noise, vibration and exhaust emissions. The objection would then only be removed on the condition that the land developer took on full responsibility for permanent mitigations against these factors.

Does the railway also need protection for any future development(s) it may wish to introduce at any point in time in the future?
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 22, 2017 9:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The recent posts above confirm what I was trying to convey earlier.

The GCR at Loughborough has found itself surrounded by housing development on what was commercial/industrial use land, and despite it being quite obvious that you were buying a property close to an active steam railway, there were objections about smoke/steam/noise, etc.

The diesel TMD and immediate yard at Kidderminster mainly backs onto the rear of the football ground. In the future this will not be the case, and then being a "good neighbour" becomes paramount. Saying "we were here first" is not really the answer. It needs further thought.

Rob
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 22, 2017 9:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

If houses/flats were built adjacent to the diesel depot, I can see the day coming when a small diesel shunter is used to drag one of the larger diesels to a more suitable place for it to be started, to avoid the smoke and fumes annoying the residents.

To see clouds of smoke from the exhaust might look good to an enthusiast, but not to others if it keeps blowing in through your window.

Time to invent or build a "fan assisted exhaust suction device" which can be positioned a few feet above the roof of a diesel loco before it is started, the fan then blowing the smoke, which would be mixed with lots of cleaner air also sucked in, up a "pipe or vent" to something like the height of the diesel depot roof. From there the exhaust would be less dense and probably blow over surrounding properties and be less noticeable. A "starting up bay" on one of the existing tracks outside the depot with the vent attached to the end of the depot. Or start inside the depot with strong suction fans extracting air out the roof of the building.

It may sound stupid, but might start people thinking?????
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 22, 2017 10:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Remember the problems we had when the boilershop was first proposed at Bridgnorth.

I'm sure that the powers that be will have taken some professional advice over this to protect our interests.
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 22, 2017 7:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

At present it is only a proposal by Harriers - they haven't yet even applied for permission at the planned new site.

If it comes off, I'm sure the railway and others will take advice

Patrick
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 22, 2017 9:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Short article about the proposals

http://www.wyreforestdc.gov.uk/news/august-2017/harriers-submit-proposals.aspx
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