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PostPosted: Wed Dec 31, 2014 11:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

As an undergraduate, use of non-scholarly sources is punished and Wikipedia doubly so.

It can be useful though in looking at sources that contributors have cited.

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PostPosted: Wed Dec 31, 2014 12:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Certainly all Stanier engines had them...

You don't cite a reference for this.
How do I know it's any more true than what's on Wikipedia, after all, everyone knows not to believe anything you read on internet forums. Wink
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 31, 2014 12:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've looked!
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 31, 2014 1:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Graham wrote:
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Certainly all Stanier engines had them...

LMS2968 wrote:
I've looked!
Was not most of the Stanier loco fleet scrapped decades ago?
Is there a tardis lurking at Bridgnorth somewhere or maybe the words have been taken out of context?
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 31, 2014 1:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

When I was a student, I would use Wikipedia as a starting point for building knowledge on a topic I was required to study; but I'd never cite it or take it at face value without supporting peer-reviewed evidence!

Unfortunately, the vast majority of railway books are not academically constructed. Bibliographies are sparse and citations in text non-existent.
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 31, 2014 2:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Stato wrote:
Was not most of the Stanier loco fleet scrapped decades ago?
Is there a tardis lurking at Bridgnorth somewhere or maybe the words have been taken out of context?

Oh well, so much for flippant remarks!

Citation: Cook A.F. LMS Locomotive Design and Construction (1990) RCTS, Lincoln ISBN 0 901115 71 1, Page 127. This gives much coverage of why snifting (air relief) valves were needed, the types fitted to LMS locos, the locos by number series fitted with different types of snifting valves, the problems given by these valves, and the modifications made under Job No. 5351, NWO 6319 of 16th July 1943 to affect a solution.

The job and NWO numbers can be found on some (not all) Engine Record Cards as the work was not always recorded, and not all cards still exist. For the Stanier Crabs, NWO 6319 appears for 2945/8//9/50/8/62/3/4/7/73. Despite the gaps, the job was reported closed on 26th August 1953 although there were 29 locos still to be dealt with, and 174 allotted for their modification. These engine numbers are also given.

By the way, although we might not yet have a time machine, cameras have been around for quite a while.
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 31, 2014 7:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Aha, the reference to the published source of info suggests a time machine may not have been used to establish the air relief valve fitment across the Stanier loco fleet after all.

Despite this evidence I am sure that I saw this bit of kit lurking in a quiet corner of the boiler shop?
http://images2.fanpop.com/images/photos/6200000/Tardis-in-Space-tardis-6289809-1600-1131.jpg
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 01, 2015 12:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

J-Green wrote:
When I was a student, I would use Wikipedia as a starting point for building knowledge on a topic I was required to study; but I'd never cite it or take it at face value with supporting peer-reviewed evidence!

Same for me, while a lot of the chemistry related articles are correct not all are, one of my lecturers said one area was completely unreliable on Wikipedia.
However there was one piece of tutorial work in first year which you could only do by reading the Wikipedia page. In fact, it seemed that either the tutorial was based on the Wikipedia page or the Wikipedia page had been written in response to the tutorial question. I suspect the latter...
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 15, 2015 12:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It appears that 43106 is away for a holiday on the Great Central Railway from 19th to 21st June.

https://twitter.com/GcrGreat/status/555677416367325186
http://gcrailway.co.uk/modelevent/
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 15, 2015 2:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks, I wasn't aware of this. Now added to SVR Facebook and Twitter sites.

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PostPosted: Sun Jun 21, 2015 2:44 pm    Post subject: 43106 - great central railway Reply with quote

hello
43106 as spent the last two weeks at the gcr and as made a lot of friends
and looked completely at home
some pictures at www.stevebottrill.zenfolio.com
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 26, 2015 10:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I see she's down for the 40 weekend - Any idea which way she's facing now ?
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 27, 2015 9:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PostPosted: Sun Aug 09, 2015 7:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

http://www.barrowhill.org/events.html

Barrow Hill LMS event of 25th - 27th September has Ivatt '4MT' 43106 invited


The ticket site http://www.seetickets.com/event/lms-gala/barrow-hill-roundhouse-derbyshire/896470 says

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The latest locomotive confirmed to join the growing stellar line up is Ivatt Class 4 43106 Flying Pig courtesy of the Ivatt Class 4 Group and the Severn Valley Railway.


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PostPosted: Sat Sep 26, 2015 9:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Barrow Hill only has a short running line, but the footplate crew seemed keen to find out what 43106 could do; a number of people remarked that it was the most vocal performance of the day. She also looked good inside the Roundhouse.

http://www.svrwiki.com/File:43106_20150926.jpg
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