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michaelh



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PostPosted: Sun Jan 14, 2007 7:32 pm    Post subject: GWR Large Prarie 2-6-2T 4150 Reply with quote

What's the current situation with 4150? Hope we don't lose it like 4141
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 14, 2007 8:13 pm    Post subject: Re: 4150 Reply with quote

michaelh wrote:
What's the current situation with 4150? Hope we don't lose it like 4141


I don't think that we will lose it. An announcement is likely to be made in the coming months. Nuff said for now.
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 30, 2007 3:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Various publications have indictated an acceleration in the return of this loco. Does anyone on the railway know what the state of this locomotive is? I saw the engine at the SSG and just before xmas but its condition has never really been mentioned anywhere.

The cab and tanks have been by the BY stabling point for years so I would presume these will need replacing?? Any ideas on the condition of the boiler? How far has work progressed so far?
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 30, 2007 7:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

KHARDS wrote:
Various publications have indictated an acceleration in the return of this loco. Does anyone on the railway know what the state of this locomotive is? I saw the engine at the SSG and just before xmas but its condition has never really been mentioned anywhere.

The cab and tanks have been by the BY stabling point for years so I would presume these will need replacing?? Any ideas on the condition of the boiler? How far has work progressed so far?


Boiler is supposed to be in fairly good condition (it is a very old boiler orginally fitted to a Flower class!). I think some work was been done on the axleboxes years, and machining of parts for the motion has been. The tanks look shot, cab and bunker may be OK.
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 01, 2007 6:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

hassell_a wrote:
KHARDS wrote:
Various publications have indictated an acceleration in the return of this loco. Does anyone on the railway know what the state of this locomotive is? I saw the engine at the SSG and just before xmas but its condition has never really been mentioned anywhere.

The cab and tanks have been by the BY stabling point for years so I would presume these will need replacing?? Any ideas on the condition of the boiler? How far has work progressed so far?


Boiler is supposed to be in fairly good condition (it is a very old boiler orginally fitted to a Flower class!). I think some work was been done on the axleboxes years, and machining of parts for the motion has been. The tanks look shot, cab and bunker may be OK.


The link with the Flower class is brilliant - I am sure they would have run on the Valley
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PostPosted: Mon May 07, 2007 8:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

michaelh wrote:


The link with the Flower class is brilliant - I am sure they would have run on the Valley


Doubt it very much, smaller tankys like the 517s for passenger trains, and Armstrong goods for goods during that era.
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 19, 2007 8:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

There is a brief article about 4150 in the latest Steam Railway magazine, indicating that a 50K share appeal has been launched. The implication is that only existing shareholders have been contacted. I'd have expected a flyer with the latest SVR News.

Does anyone have any more information? I'd be happy to contribute to help get this loco into the fleet.

The large prairies must be one of the best suited locos for the valley?
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walton_cw



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PostPosted: Tue Jun 19, 2007 8:25 pm    Post subject: 4150 Reply with quote

Now that the supporting organisation has become active and commenced planning the restoration of the locomotive the SVRA Committee has received a request to operate a raffle in support of the locomotive. This is currently being planned and should probably appear in the Autumn SVR News.

Because raffles are governed by the 1976 Lotteries Act the SVRA before agreeing to support any rolling stock project with a raffle verify with the supporting fund the ownership status and fund constitution and their committment to SVR.

This is why initially only existing shareholders have been contacted as they have had to agree on how they, as owners, commit to move the project forward.
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 07, 2008 10:27 pm    Post subject: 4150 Reply with quote

Reminder to all that the draw date for the SVRA raffle in aid of this Prairie Tank is the 20th of January and that all sold ticket counterfoils need to be returned to the promoter by 16 January in the freepost envelope supplied by the SVRA or in an ordinary envelope with the address as per below.

Please do not return unsold books of tickets.

Anyone else wishing to obtain further information on the locomotive and its supporting group or to make a contribution can contact the fund through the SVRA at the postal address "Freepost RRGK-LXXB-AREA, Severn Valley Railway Association, WV16 6EQ" No stamp needed.
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 08, 2009 9:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

From the 75069 thread:

bradleyman wrote:
madderlake wrote:
hassell_a wrote:
4150 - the bottom end is certainly well on.


While a lot of cleaning, preparation and and painting can be done, I would suggest that most of the serious bottom end work does not start until the frames are on the jacks at Bridgnorth and the wheel sets are out. As most of this work is carried out by the paid staff, it may not be apparent to most volunteers just how much of it there is.


If you are referring to 4150 then you are very wide of the mark with your suppositions! - perhaps you should take the time visit the loco & talk to those actually working on it.

This loco has already been lifted (at BY) and been given a full bottom end overhaul - by skilled volunteers with company assistance re items such as tyre turning & axlebox work. The bottom end of the loco is now all but complete.

Current work is directed towards bunker & tank construction, cladding manufacture, manufacture & overhaul of fittings, stocktake of copper pipework for further ordering & planning the (BN) boiler overhaul.

As ever new shareholders and those willing to roll their sleeves up and help are especially welcome on this project!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


A couple of pics from earlier on this year, for those that need a look:

http://clive-hanley.fotopic.net/p56023117.html
http://clive-hanley.fotopic.net/p56023123.html
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 10, 2009 12:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

bradleyman wrote:
If you are referring to 4150 then you are very wide of the mark with your suppositions! - perhaps you should take the time visit the loco & talk to those actually working on it.

This loco has already been lifted (at BY) and been given a full bottom end overhaul - by skilled volunteers with company assistance re items such as tyre turning & axlebox work. The bottom end of the loco is now all but complete.


I saw it in its tent a few months ago but did not get to talk to anyone. I just did not realise how much had been done. A run-down on what has been done so-far might be of interest.
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 10, 2009 7:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Brief resume of what has been done from memory & more observation than limited personal participation - have tried to get the current trustees to post on this forum but so far I don't think they are members of it.

Frames - lifted, inspected, painted, horns reground & alignment checked/measured.

Wheels - tyres reprofiled, journals polished,crankpins remachined al pinted.

Axleboxes - fully recond to suit horns/wheelsets

Springs - refurbed

Valves - valve bores found to have only a couple of thou wear so fitted with recond piston valves with reground steel sleeves, new bronze guide rings etc

Pistons - cylinder wear found to be minimal but piston rods cut at Barry so suitable similar items from another loco refurbed/remachined to suit with new rings fitted.

Crossheads remetalled & fitted to reground guide bars & reground gudgeon pins.

Coupling & con rods polished & fitted with remetalled bushes some of which were made new.

Inside motion rebushed, remetalled as required & refitted

Brake rigging rebushed & fitted with new bolts where necessary

All the above are reassembled.

Many other small details already attended to.

Boiler - detubed, descaled & inspected by SVR boilersmith with list of known work required drawn up - copper firebox particularly good, remainder requires routine restay, rerivet, retube but no known plate replacement expected except possibly smokebox front.

Cladding - start made on the manufacture of replacement items

Bunker & tanks - partly dismantled to allow confirmation oif drawings for reconstruction & recovery of reusable components. Replacement steel being ordered.

Fittings - either in store complete or in store castings with 90% already obtained & sources known for the remainder.

Pipework - material stock to hand with orders being placed to complete


The above has all been achieved on site at Bewdley with use of the machine shop there together with Bridgnorth paid staff input on components such as wheels/axleboxes and limited off SVR work.

Whilst this will probably be the last major loco rebulid undertaken at Bewdley on a historical note newer members may be surprised to learn that the following locos received major work at Bewdley to initially restore them from scrap yard condition to working order for SVR service by volunteers in quite rudimentary conditions:

4566
5164
7819
7812
7802
1501
7714
7325
2857
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Captain Jack Sparrow



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PostPosted: Sat Jun 13, 2009 9:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

bradleyman wrote:
Brief resume of what has been done from memory & more observation than limited personal participation - have tried to get the current trustees to post on this forum but so far I don't think they are members of it.

Frames - lifted, inspected, painted, horns reground & alignment checked/measured.

Wheels - tyres reprofiled, journals polished,crankpins remachined al pinted.

Axleboxes - fully recond to suit horns/wheelsets

Springs - refurbed

Valves - valve bores found to have only a couple of thou wear so fitted with recond piston valves with reground steel sleeves, new bronze guide rings etc

Pistons - cylinder wear found to be minimal but piston rods cut at Barry so suitable similar items from another loco refurbed/remachined to suit with new rings fitted.

Crossheads remetalled & fitted to reground guide bars & reground gudgeon pins.

Coupling & con rods polished & fitted with remetalled bushes some of which were made new.

Inside motion rebushed, remetalled as required & refitted

Brake rigging rebushed & fitted with new bolts where necessary

All the above are reassembled.

Many other small details already attended to.

Boiler - detubed, descaled & inspected by SVR boilersmith with list of known work required drawn up - copper firebox particularly good, remainder requires routine restay, rerivet, retube but no known plate replacement expected except possibly smokebox front.

Cladding - start made on the manufacture of replacement items

Bunker & tanks - partly dismantled to allow confirmation oif drawings for reconstruction & recovery of reusable components. Replacement steel being ordered.

Fittings - either in store complete or in store castings with 90% already obtained & sources known for the remainder.

Pipework - material stock to hand with orders being placed to complete


The above has all been achieved on site at Bewdley with use of the machine shop there together with Bridgnorth paid staff input on components such as wheels/axleboxes and limited off SVR work.

Whilst this will probably be the last major loco rebulid undertaken at Bewdley on a historical note newer members may be surprised to learn that the following locos received major work at Bewdley to initially restore them from scrap yard condition to working order for SVR service by volunteers in quite rudimentary conditions:

4566
5164
7819
7812
7802
1501
7714
7325
2857


You forgot 4930 in that list!! Yes nice to see 4150 moving forward in a positive manor.
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 13, 2009 9:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Captain Jack Sparrow wrote:
You forgot 4930 in that list!!
Duncan; nothing to do with 4150, but I seem to recall working with Trant at BH on 4930 shortly after coming over to the loco dept from the dark side. Wasn't it started at BY and subsequently finished at BH? My memory of what year is somewhat vague but I do recall having more hair with more natural pigment. Laughing

Captain Jack Sparrow wrote:
. . . .in a positive manor.
Possibly a Freudian slip but I'm sure 4150 will be very good at halling trains.
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 14, 2009 8:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I did'nt include 4930 as whilst some work was done on this loco at BY I think that the major work was to return it to working order was undertaken at BN.
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